Defending Sanity

Defending the weak. Defending the innocent.

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I finished writing my reply to this a short while ago. It seems the original post has been deleted, but my sentiments remain the same, as do the post’s originator, Purple Tinker, so I will still post it. The main body of this post will be found beneath the “read more” link. The post I’m replying to can be found in the image above.
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I’ve read through your post, just so you know, so I’ll start with that. I don’t actually wander into “these parts” terribly often anymore, but someone happened to link your post to me, so I took a look.
I’m going to partially agree with one of your rebloggers. You focus so much on the fandom and the “bad bronies.” While at the end of the day we may differ on the definitions and criteria for the many things you’ve listed, I think there’s one principle that would still benefit you: Simply put, there are no “bad bronies.”
There are bad people.
Also, for the record, there are many people out there fighting for social justice every day. Just because you don’t happen to see it on a tumblr blog does not indiciate it isn’t there. While I’m at it, I’ll also say that your assertion that you were the only one out there is pretty haughty in itself, and doesn’t give me a terribly good impression. Yes, you may be a crusader of sorts, a “warrior” as you seem to prefer, but you are essentially shooting yourself in the foot in spirit and in practice.
Let’s bring things into focus. A man rapes a girl: a classic case, just for example. That man happens to be a brony. If you were to report it to the police (let’s say, for example, that you actually witnessed it, and were unable to prevent it from being completed, or the attempt), do you really think that the fact he’s a brony is crucial information to the crime? By reading your posts, looking at the way you handle all of this and how you react, it appears you do. If in fact, you don’t, you should re-evaluate your presentation.
Yes, it’s very difficult to take you seriously when you seem almost as offended by them being bronies as you are about any crime they may have committed, to the point where it seems that being a brony in itself is a crime (something that most reasonable people would consider utterly detached from crime). It gives the strong impression that you have skewed priorities, an unfortunate trait I’ve found in many blogs touting themselves as “social justice blogs.” Social justice is a wonderful thing, but only when treated properly.
If you find someone guilty of a crime, don’t treat them as a brony. Don’t lose yourself in making a point out of the fact he or she is a brony (or pegasister, or whathaveyou, to cover all bases). Next to a crime of any magnitude, the fandom a person takes part in is utterly irrelevant, and when you try to make a point of it, you only make yourself appear more and more incredible, and truthfully, I believe that is one of the major reasons people will react to you with apathy. They are simply uncertain or uncomfortable taking you seriously, because you focus on all the wrong things that people shouldn’t take seriously.
Do I care that there are these bad people out there representing bronies? Absolutely not, because they don’t. They represent bad people in society at large, and you will find them in every corner of the world, in every large fandom, in every large group. There you will always find decrepit, perverted and twisted people. And sometimes people who are just dumb.
However, beyond the generics, I’ll also say this. What I’ve said so far has been a general criticism with the assumption that everything you have brought up has been legitimate. Obviously, I can only fault you so much for defending what you believe, because if you didn’t believe it, it wouldn’t be worth defending. So instead, I find myself focusing on your choice of method, and a lack of observance and even prudence on your part when only considering the people you seek to defend.
While we all want to live in a utopic society where no one even has the thought of ever offending anyone else, or where at least everyone is more aware of social rules than your average bloke is of common table manners, the fact of the matter is we do not and we are a very long way from reaching it. There are two sides to every quarrel, even where one side is in the right. Your idea (that people should be kind and understanding, and shouldn’t do things which might cause others pain or harm) is entirely fine, but I believe our tactic should be teaching people to survive and move on.
There are points where an ardent offense is warranted. There are points where it’s better to move on and ignore people who would do harm, and help others to do the same. Some battles do more damage in the fighting. I know better than most how much an idle word can set off a deep and churning pain in a person, words that can even lead a person to atrocities such as suicide or a prolonged agony. Nevertheless, idle words are something we are inundated with every day, and shouting down every person who uses them every time, or being so on the alert that even unintended harm becomes a focus of prosecution is self-defeating, not to mention draining.
So it brings us to a “Cry Wolf” effect. You tend to make a big deal of things, and lest it appear I’m trying to skirt issues, I’ll simply say it. Yes, I do believe there are things you over-react to, and in doing so sap away credibility on your part when you may present truly serious cases. Not from me, but simply from what I’ve seen of people observing you, you have a reputation of not just being “one of those social justice blogs,” but of exaggeration, and so when you present real cases of rape, those who hear you will act on your repuation and call your credibility into question.
Frankly, your credibility for many except those who want to believe you or simply haven’t heard of you before has been dimmed quite a bit. It would take a lot for me myself, to take you or your allegations seriously, because you seem to be more interested at being offended at things than in solving them, as your priorities seem to suggest.
Getting a criminal behind bars is much more important than banning them from a convention, and frankly if you truly do want them banned from a convention, alerting the authorities to what ought to be bannable is the more likely way of doing it, because without an authority figure any sensible convention management will not ban someone simply because another person believes them guilty, however much proof you may believe you have. You essentially are trying to become your own law enforcement in the brony community, making people “pay” in their fandom, especially if a victim isn’t willing to take legal action. That’s a mistake and it makes you look the part of someone who pays far too much attention to the wrong side of the playing field.
If you want people to take you seriously, you have to give them a reason to take you seriously, and doing that will not help you. Had you been handling things differently, who knows? You may have even gotten those you wanted banned on the black list, but you have repeatedly made a spectacle of yourself, and you hold yourself as a righteous martyr making a sacrifice for doing so. That in itself, your self-proclaimed shout of despair and defeat which I only half-believe, strikes the most most out of all your letter.
You even finish your post by saying, “Now there are zero,” as though you were some last bastion of right and good in the world. Do you realize how conceited that is?
I am a person who likes to believe that every person, good or bad by however you want to define it, can change for better or worse. It’s a reason for those who are “good” to be vigilant and self-controlled, and it’s a reason for people who are “bad” to have hope. I firmly believe that is what the law is for: not just to punish, but to change through correction.
I think your priorities are skewed, I question your motivation and I do not consider you a credible source of information or judgment. But, criticism is only “good” when it offers a chance. As much as you might hate hearing this from me, I think you can also do good in the world, if you open yourself to criticism on your methods. Not only mine, but to that of probably many people who you have doubtlessly argued with over time.
This “chance” being offered isn’t to “get in good with me” or otherwise make people like you. No - people liking you or me isn’t the most important thing in the world. What I’m pointing out, I believe, is the chance for you to actually make a dent in that hard, cold wall that you seem to be running into, a way to melt through it if necessary, instead of endlessly slamming yourself against it in vigor and fury as you have been. You have done nothing but give yourself a bloody face. If you want to make a difference, if you want to help a lot of people, if you want to see a change that’s worthwhile and one that actually makes a difference, you can, but it does require a change in attitude and tactic.
Finally, I’m not here to “start an argument,” nor “kick you while you’re down.” I consider myself as much a believer and defender of justice as you believe yourself, even though my work in that area is neither public nor on tumblr. Tumblr is simply something I glance at every once in a while. If anything, I want to aid you, even though it may not be aid or help you want. I have given a great deal of blunt criticism, it’s true, but not without an aim or a purpose. Take it or leave it as you will.
My time is limited, and more than I intended has already been spent writing this. It’s likely that I may not see a reply for several days, if any reply is made. None is required, as this was not intended as a “challenge.” No, I am not interested in a debate, and neither should you be, if what you really want is justice. Justice isn’t something given, it’s something earned, either by you or an advocate for you. It is fought for, in many ways. While we may disagree on many things, and while I may advise you to do things differently, I would never encourage you to stop.

I finished writing my reply to this a short while ago. It seems the original post has been deleted, but my sentiments remain the same, as do the post’s originator, Purple Tinker, so I will still post it. The main body of this post will be found beneath the “read more” link. The post I’m replying to can be found in the image above.

I’ve read through your post, just so you know, so I’ll start with that. I don’t actually wander into “these parts” terribly often anymore, but someone happened to link your post to me, so I took a look.

I’m going to partially agree with one of your rebloggers. You focus so much on the fandom and the “bad bronies.” While at the end of the day we may differ on the definitions and criteria for the many things you’ve listed, I think there’s one principle that would still benefit you: Simply put, there are no “bad bronies.”

There are bad people.

Also, for the record, there are many people out there fighting for social justice every day. Just because you don’t happen to see it on a tumblr blog does not indiciate it isn’t there. While I’m at it, I’ll also say that your assertion that you were the only one out there is pretty haughty in itself, and doesn’t give me a terribly good impression. Yes, you may be a crusader of sorts, a “warrior” as you seem to prefer, but you are essentially shooting yourself in the foot in spirit and in practice.

Let’s bring things into focus. A man rapes a girl: a classic case, just for example. That man happens to be a brony. If you were to report it to the police (let’s say, for example, that you actually witnessed it, and were unable to prevent it from being completed, or the attempt), do you really think that the fact he’s a brony is crucial information to the crime? By reading your posts, looking at the way you handle all of this and how you react, it appears you do. If in fact, you don’t, you should re-evaluate your presentation.

Yes, it’s very difficult to take you seriously when you seem almost as offended by them being bronies as you are about any crime they may have committed, to the point where it seems that being a brony in itself is a crime (something that most reasonable people would consider utterly detached from crime). It gives the strong impression that you have skewed priorities, an unfortunate trait I’ve found in many blogs touting themselves as “social justice blogs.” Social justice is a wonderful thing, but only when treated properly.

If you find someone guilty of a crime, don’t treat them as a brony. Don’t lose yourself in making a point out of the fact he or she is a brony (or pegasister, or whathaveyou, to cover all bases). Next to a crime of any magnitude, the fandom a person takes part in is utterly irrelevant, and when you try to make a point of it, you only make yourself appear more and more incredible, and truthfully, I believe that is one of the major reasons people will react to you with apathy. They are simply uncertain or uncomfortable taking you seriously, because you focus on all the wrong things that people shouldn’t take seriously.

Do I care that there are these bad people out there representing bronies? Absolutely not, because they don’t. They represent bad people in society at large, and you will find them in every corner of the world, in every large fandom, in every large group. There you will always find decrepit, perverted and twisted people. And sometimes people who are just dumb.

However, beyond the generics, I’ll also say this. What I’ve said so far has been a general criticism with the assumption that everything you have brought up has been legitimate. Obviously, I can only fault you so much for defending what you believe, because if you didn’t believe it, it wouldn’t be worth defending. So instead, I find myself focusing on your choice of method, and a lack of observance and even prudence on your part when only considering the people you seek to defend.

While we all want to live in a utopic society where no one even has the thought of ever offending anyone else, or where at least everyone is more aware of social rules than your average bloke is of common table manners, the fact of the matter is we do not and we are a very long way from reaching it. There are two sides to every quarrel, even where one side is in the right. Your idea (that people should be kind and understanding, and shouldn’t do things which might cause others pain or harm) is entirely fine, but I believe our tactic should be teaching people to survive and move on.

There are points where an ardent offense is warranted. There are points where it’s better to move on and ignore people who would do harm, and help others to do the same. Some battles do more damage in the fighting. I know better than most how much an idle word can set off a deep and churning pain in a person, words that can even lead a person to atrocities such as suicide or a prolonged agony. Nevertheless, idle words are something we are inundated with every day, and shouting down every person who uses them every time, or being so on the alert that even unintended harm becomes a focus of prosecution is self-defeating, not to mention draining.

So it brings us to a “Cry Wolf” effect. You tend to make a big deal of things, and lest it appear I’m trying to skirt issues, I’ll simply say it. Yes, I do believe there are things you over-react to, and in doing so sap away credibility on your part when you may present truly serious cases. Not from me, but simply from what I’ve seen of people observing you, you have a reputation of not just being “one of those social justice blogs,” but of exaggeration, and so when you present real cases of rape, those who hear you will act on your repuation and call your credibility into question.

Frankly, your credibility for many except those who want to believe you or simply haven’t heard of you before has been dimmed quite a bit. It would take a lot for me myself, to take you or your allegations seriously, because you seem to be more interested at being offended at things than in solving them, as your priorities seem to suggest.

Getting a criminal behind bars is much more important than banning them from a convention, and frankly if you truly do want them banned from a convention, alerting the authorities to what ought to be bannable is the more likely way of doing it, because without an authority figure any sensible convention management will not ban someone simply because another person believes them guilty, however much proof you may believe you have. You essentially are trying to become your own law enforcement in the brony community, making people “pay” in their fandom, especially if a victim isn’t willing to take legal action. That’s a mistake and it makes you look the part of someone who pays far too much attention to the wrong side of the playing field.

If you want people to take you seriously, you have to give them a reason to take you seriously, and doing that will not help you. Had you been handling things differently, who knows? You may have even gotten those you wanted banned on the black list, but you have repeatedly made a spectacle of yourself, and you hold yourself as a righteous martyr making a sacrifice for doing so. That in itself, your self-proclaimed shout of despair and defeat which I only half-believe, strikes the most most out of all your letter.

You even finish your post by saying, “Now there are zero,” as though you were some last bastion of right and good in the world. Do you realize how conceited that is?

I am a person who likes to believe that every person, good or bad by however you want to define it, can change for better or worse. It’s a reason for those who are “good” to be vigilant and self-controlled, and it’s a reason for people who are “bad” to have hope. I firmly believe that is what the law is for: not just to punish, but to change through correction.

I think your priorities are skewed, I question your motivation and I do not consider you a credible source of information or judgment. But, criticism is only “good” when it offers a chance. As much as you might hate hearing this from me, I think you can also do good in the world, if you open yourself to criticism on your methods. Not only mine, but to that of probably many people who you have doubtlessly argued with over time.

This “chance” being offered isn’t to “get in good with me” or otherwise make people like you. No - people liking you or me isn’t the most important thing in the world. What I’m pointing out, I believe, is the chance for you to actually make a dent in that hard, cold wall that you seem to be running into, a way to melt through it if necessary, instead of endlessly slamming yourself against it in vigor and fury as you have been. You have done nothing but give yourself a bloody face. If you want to make a difference, if you want to help a lot of people, if you want to see a change that’s worthwhile and one that actually makes a difference, you can, but it does require a change in attitude and tactic.

Finally, I’m not here to “start an argument,” nor “kick you while you’re down.” I consider myself as much a believer and defender of justice as you believe yourself, even though my work in that area is neither public nor on tumblr. Tumblr is simply something I glance at every once in a while. If anything, I want to aid you, even though it may not be aid or help you want. I have given a great deal of blunt criticism, it’s true, but not without an aim or a purpose. Take it or leave it as you will.

My time is limited, and more than I intended has already been spent writing this. It’s likely that I may not see a reply for several days, if any reply is made. None is required, as this was not intended as a “challenge.” No, I am not interested in a debate, and neither should you be, if what you really want is justice. Justice isn’t something given, it’s something earned, either by you or an advocate for you. It is fought for, in many ways. While we may disagree on many things, and while I may advise you to do things differently, I would never encourage you to stop.

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